(11:11) sugree: @deans4j imo, the problem is "logic"
(11:12) sugree: who's next?
(11:15) sugree: @kengggg or moz.in.th. imo, shorter is better
(11:15) sugree: @deans4j แบบว่าทุกคนใช้ logic แปลก มันไม่เป็นธรรมชาติ เหมือนมันขัดความรู้สึกยังไงชอบกล
(11:16) sugree: @nopparat so scary. แกงกะหรี่ไข่วัว
(11:20) sugree: @makissy the place that you drink don't drive
(11:21) sugree: @phisite i agree. cool anyway
(11:21) sugree: @Oakyman i guess dotarai will offer for free
(11:27) sugree: @nopparat it's fast
(11:28) sugree: @kengggg register now before someone take it
(11:35) chanwit: google chrome seems to be not real opensource?
(11:35) sugree: @kengggg not your money anyway. lol
(11:36) sugree: @chanwit it's open you can checkout
(11:36) sugree: @chanwit but not now. svn fall down last night
(11:36) sugree: reading emails
(11:36) sugree: oh. so many emails
(11:37) chanwit: @sugree it's open, but seems to be not with the opensource spirit
(11:38) chanwit: @sugree mozilla looks more freedom
(11:39) sugree: @chanwit lol. it's google way. you can contribute. and then fork if necessary
(11:39) sugree: @chanwit no. i think they are the same. not real open
(11:40) sugree: parliament dissolve?
(11:40) chanwit: @sugree but with moziila, you can push something in easier than google's model i think.
(11:40) sugree: simply dissolve
(11:40) sugree: and pad will be back after election
(11:40) sugree: what's pad want?
(11:41) sugree: just let them be a part of cabinet
(11:41) chanwit: @sugree for example, it said it's opensourcing #chromium not #chrome
(11:41) sugree: @chanwit it's ok as long as chrome let us develop plugin. it's google style open source
(11:42) sugree: @chanwit if they want some feature you made, they will hire you anyway
(11:42) chanwit: @sugree we need someone to finally fork it. lol
(11:43) sugree: @chanwit yes. it open chromium. after compiled, we get chrome.
(11:43) chanwit: @sugree um.. propbably that's their model
(11:43) sugree: @chanwit just fork chrome+firefox
(11:43) sugree: chromefox!
(11:44) chanwit: @sugree chromefox is a good name
(11:44) p_warawit: drafting data sourcing plan and architecture. Drawing finished, now the boring part - describes it.
(11:44) sugree: @mobilebomb that's why twitter is great
(11:45) chanwit: @sugree are we debating ? lol
(11:45) chanwit: @sugree but we've come up with a good conclusion
(11:47) sugree: @chanwit lol. it's about logic. like i mention earlier
(11:48) sugree: @baramunchies someone will do it definitely
(11:51) sugree: oops! i passed 60k milestone silently
(11:52) pphetra: @sugree and mindset
(11:52) sugree: oh. i forget to tweet a cool thing
(11:53) sugree: @pphetra you are right. logic + mindset we need in thailand right now definitely
(11:56) chanwit: @pphetra @sugree logic and mindset looks to be IQ + EQ ?
(11:56) sugree: @somsak ok. i will
(11:56) sugree: @chanwit EQ != mindset
(11:56) chanwit: logic reflects your intelligence ? and mindset reflects your emotion?
(11:56) sugree: mindset != emotion
(11:56) chanwit: lol. my logic is not good enough to have this concluded correctly.
(11:57) sugree: emotion doesn't relate to logic
(11:57) sugree: logic for me is common sense
(11:57) chanwit: @sugree EQ reflects mindset, and vice versa?
(11:57) sugree: just follow your heart
(11:58) sugree: @chanwit really? hmm. what is mindset?
(11:58) chanwit: you have a high EQ, you have a belief then you use EQ to control your belief ?
(11:59) sugree: mindset is something inside instinct. i guess
(11:59) sugree: don't do something because of emotion. emotion-driven approach is not good
(12:00) sugree: logic-driven is the must
(12:01) chanwit: what's on logic side? you've got a high IQ meaning that you're easier to draw your logic? probably yes.
(12:01) sugree: or in short, the problem now is thai ppl's basic instinct
(12:01) sugree: @nopparat ah. cool. unimind is centralized approach
(12:02) sugree: IQ may represent logic as well as common sense
(12:02) chanwit: @nopparat what's about now? p2p?
(12:02) chanwit: p2p is a good approach, but for make it work we still need "a tracker"
(12:03) sugree: EQ is the emotional stability
(12:03) chanwit: @deans4j lol
(12:03) sugree: @chanwit distributed-mind
(12:03) sugree: pad is unimind
(12:04) sugree: @chanwit use distributed hash to avoid centralized component
(12:05) pphetra: mindset -> the established set of attitudes held by someone.
(12:05) sugree: since pad is unimind, killing the god hand might destroy the whole community
(12:05) sugree: @pphetra thanks. it's clear now.
(12:05) sugree: mindset is actually brainwash
(12:07) sugree: i used to think "is there any subliminal messages in astv?"
(12:07) sugree: it's not easy to change someone mindset
(12:08) DrRider: @kengggg moz.in.th sounds like mosquito?
(12:08) sugree: dmc and astv are the big success cases
(12:09) chanwit: is it faith?
(12:09) DrRider: @kengggg oops, too late :P
(12:09) sugree: it would be nice if we can reproduce dmc and astv to promote foss in thailand
(12:09) chanwit: belief or faith ?
(12:10) sugree: @chanwit not just faith i guess. mindset is the way you think. not just what you believe.
(12:10) DrRider: @kengggg I hate Starbucks
(12:11) DrRider: @sugree in which scale that is using to measure EQ?
(12:11) sugree: mindset is a neural network
(12:11) DrRider: @sugree propaganda
(12:11) sugree: @DrRider i don't know much about EQ. it's new way to measure emotional stability
(12:12) sugree: @DrRider don't trust me. my IQ is not so high.
(12:12) chanwit: @deans4j i don't know
(12:12) sugree: @DrRider ah. propaganda
(12:13) DrRider: @kengggg I bought an espresso machine, making espresso at home
(12:13) sugree: to measure EQ, they just let us answer the question. something about making decision in many situations
(12:13) DrRider: want espresso? make your own :P
(12:13) sugree: very similar to IQ?
(12:14) sugree: and the score is a number. not more than that
(12:14) bact: จัดห้อง หนังสือกองโต -- (um) in msn/im name for no PM from holysky.
(12:14) DrRider: @deans4j wow = World of Warcraft?
(12:15) DrRider: @wiennat good idea
(12:15) sugree: @wiennat no. we should attack astv to link duocore/fukduk to feed over 2M subscribers
(12:15) DrRider: way to 2000 tweet
(12:16) DrRider: 30 more tweets
(12:16) DrRider: @deans4j never played that game, though :P
(12:17) sugree: propaganda is a way to change mindset
(12:17) sugree: propaganda+tv = perfect mindset machine
(12:17) DrRider: @kengggg Starbucks is very overprice for Thai
(12:18) sugree: so mindset is the secret behind logic
(12:19) p_warawit: today I heard a lot about Google Chrome.
(12:19) chanwit: I'm probably getting it clearer about mindset
(12:19) DrRider: Why doesn't anybody open Moonbucks or Starbugs, selling resemble products as Starbucks
(12:20) DrRider: Like most Thai people do with Windows Vista
(12:21) DrRider: but for 20 baht for a grande of Latte :P
(12:21) sugree: debate done?
(12:22) chanwit: @sugree i'm not in a good condition to continue. i need more info.
(12:23) pphetra: @sugree propaganda + book + trust -> longer effect (tv -> short term effect)
(12:23) p_warawit: @sugree mindset is perceptions, values, beliefs we take it for granted and never question it.
(12:23) sugree: @chanwit lol. me too. end here
(12:25) chanwit: cool @pphetra and @p_warawit give some useful thoughts and definition
(12:25) sugree: @p_warawit never question? hmm. very interesting. i never think about that
(12:25) sugree: that's because of my mindset. lol
(12:26) sugree: @pphetra in thailand? oh. there are many books blamed thaksin.
(12:28) sugree: @PURErikU we are discussing about yesterday debate
(12:31) sugree: @deans4j it's knowledge?
(12:33) p_warawit: An example of different mindset, Westerner - competition is good. Asian - compromise is good.
(12:34) bact: @simplywit Cafe Country, Nimmanhemin, CM
(12:35) p_warawit: internet connection is so bad today. How can I work from home effectively?
(12:35) sugree: @p_warawit very clear
(12:35) sugree: so what's pad's mindset? what's gov's mindset? what's coup's mindset?
(12:36) bact: @sugree it could be know-ledge, but never discover-ledge. passively-2nd-tier kind of know.
(12:38) sugree: @bact ok. indirect knowledge
(12:39) sugree: how to derive mindset?
(12:40) bact: http://twitpic.com/a29i - don't worry about pipewater ppl, they are not yellow (yet?)
(12:44) p_warawit: to change mindset - current values & beliefs have to be broke first. it's simply 'discredit' , if they would listen.
(12:46) sugree: @p_warawit so what pad did was to change mindset by discrediting thaksin
(12:46) p_warawit: what's more feasible is change it when 'extreme experience' happen thus shaken a person's current beliefs.
(12:48) p_warawit: @sugree I believe so. If you are listening to ASTV long enough and listen to nothing else - soon you'll be come PAD. I'll be as well.
(12:55) sugree: reading feeds
(12:57) pphetra: competitive mindset ("I win, you lose"), a beaten-down mindset ("I give up, do what you want to me")
(12:59) p_warawit: I've got an email for invitation to ITU on Friday. Who wants it?
(12:59) bact: http://twitpic.com/a2ap - err.. (con)fusion food
(13:02) p_warawit: oops ... afternoon meeting.
(13:03) sugree: mindset it is